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PotbellyHairyfoot
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Post 3-III The Hunt For The Ring
on: April 30, 2006 04:52
Lots of facts, in this chapter, about the Rings of power, and about the Nazgul.


Was Saruman wrong when he told the Nazgul that he didn't have the One Ring or they would be obeying him?

What were the main advantages and disadvantages conferred on the Ringwraiths by their rings?

With Saruman caught playing both sides against each other, what could he do to gain his desires, and just what do you think it was that he desired?




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Post RE: 3-III The Hunt For The Ring
on: May 01, 2006 09:20
It was an interesting chapter indeed for it reveals lots of things about Saruman's personality and the Ringwraiths.

First,let's just say that whatever Saruman did was out of pride and from there on a eager desire for power,for being above all others both in strength and in influence.His actions against Gandalf probably came from envy,of his influence over the people of Middle-earth.

'In his heart,Saruman recognized the great power and the strange 'good fortune' that went with Gandalf."


"...Saruman knew in his heart that the Grey wanderer
had the greater strength, and the greater influence upon the dwellers in Middle-Earth,even though he[Gandalf] hid his power and desired neither fear nor reverence"


From the last quote we can deduce that this is what saruman wanted: Fear ,Reverence, in one word Power and he was not willing to share it neither with the White Council nor with Sauron.

When he was caught double-crossing both parts he tried to restore Sauron's faith in him by revealing some parts of the truth about the Shire to him. i do not think that he wanted the ring for himself at first partly maybe because he did not think that it existed anymore.But maybe he couldn't look for it when the Ringwraiths came to Orthank because an expedition of that sort would have revealed his intentions beyond any doubt to Sauron and that did not suit him at that time.

I think that he was wrong in believing that if he had the one ring he could control the Ringwraiths l.Sauron still had their nine rings and it was said that even if The Witch-King had seized the ring he would have taken it back to his master.So the power that Sauron had on the Nine was not the One Ring but their rings,omens to their betrayal.

In life the Nine sought power and when they were offered the rings they were consumed by their desire for it. They were now Sauron's greatest force and had all the power they wanted but were enslaved by him and couldn't have any desires of their own.
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Post RE: 3-III The Hunt For The Ring
on: May 02, 2006 08:39
It did seem that virtually everything Saruman did ended up working against him.
Even little things he did , like discovering a liking for pipe-weed, for example, caused him problems. If his liking for pipe-weed was revealed he felt that he would lose face as he had constantly belittled Gandalf for the same thing and it likely even troubled him to be smoking as he probably considered smoking to be a weakness.
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Post RE: 3-III The Hunt For The Ring
on: July 24, 2006 04:51
I think Saruman grew fearful as the Nazhgul came to call on him; finally losing his faith in the white council's abuility to defend Middle Earth from Sauron's second bid for ultimate power...

...but then, did he refuse to oust the Necromancer from Dol Guldur out of alliance/ agreement, or was it fear...


I think this chapter gives great insight into the Dark Lords plans and process of finding the Shire and any Baggins'. It precluded the mention of Mordor's raid into Rohan, looking for Nine Black Mearas for this great journey (I forget what book that was from(?)); the insight into the time sscale / pressure is also very enlightenining in terms of the first book of the trilogy...
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