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Post Chapter quote IIIb The Words of Hurin and Morgoth
on: September 02, 2007 02:44
The response;
But Hurin answered; 'Do you forget to whom you speak? Such things you spoke long ago to our fathers; but we escaped from your shadow. And now we have knowledge of you, for we have seen the faces that have seen the Light, and heard the voices that have spoken with Manwe. Before Arda you were, but others also; and you did not make it. Neither are you the most mighty; for you have spent your strength upon yourself and wasted it in your own emptiness. No more are you now than an escaped thrall of the Valar; and their chain still awaits you.'


This sounds great, but what does it all mean?

[Edited on 2/9/2007 by PotbellyHairyfoot]
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Post RE: Chapter quote IIIb The Words of Hurin and Morgoth
on: September 02, 2007 04:02
What he means is that a time shall come when the Valar will come to destroy Morgoth and until that time, Elves (who have seen the light of the Valar), together with Men, shall help in the defence of Beleriand.

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Post RE: Chapter quote IIIb The Words of Hurin and Morgoth
on: September 02, 2007 10:10
Hurin is a decendant of the first men to come into the west. He knows that when Men first awoke Melkor was there and through lies had them under his control. But many escaped, and coming into the West they met the elves who taught them all about Melkor and the Valar, their history and lore. So Hurin knows exactly what Morgoth is and that he was once defeated and chained by the Valar and will be again. He is letting Morgoth know that he can't frighten him or sway him with lies because Hurin already knows the truth.
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Post RE: Chapter quote IIIb The Words of Hurin and Morgoth
on: September 03, 2007 08:19
I agree with Ilandir and Dolwen, Hurin knows his enemy and his ways. He could not defeat him, but at least he doesn't cave in to Morgoth's deciet. Instead, he reminds him of his own doom that awaits, and is confident in his knowledge that it will happen.

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Post RE: Chapter quote IIIb The Words of Hurin and Morgoth
on: December 27, 2008 11:40
Morgoth tries to portray himself a "Ruler of the Fates of Arda" but Hurin knows that this is just bluster. Morgoth retains certain physical powers but doesn't control people or events. He's just as much caught in the stream of circumstance as anyone else.
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Post RE: Chapter quote IIIb The Words of Hurin and Morgoth
on: January 02, 2009 05:05
He's saying that Morgoth is using the same lies he used before men came into Beleriand and found the Eldar. Then he says that the Eldar shared their knowledge of the Valar with them, and they now understood the truth and weren't trapped in his lies. Then he acknowledges Morgoth's power but says there are others who are mightier then him. Finally he declares Morgoth an escaped prisoner with nothing more then time between him and the Valar's punishment.
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Post RE: Chapter quote IIIb The Words of Hurin and Morgoth
on: February 07, 2009 05:58
I think that most of this chapter is the two of them trying to intimidate each other. Unfortunately for Hurin, he really doesn't have the means to beat Morgoth... whereas the Dark Lord can do anything he wants. Nevertheless, Hurin is still defiant.
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Post RE: Chapter quote IIIb The Words of Hurin and Morgoth
on: February 16, 2009 11:08
I'm not sure that Hurin is trying to intimidate Morgoth.
Hurin knows that he is caught and can't really do anything about it, but he is letting Morgoth know that he is not going to be triumphant, no matter how well he is doing right now. His attempt to take control of Middle-earth is all for naught as ther are those that are more mighty than he; they made him a prisoner in the past, and they will do so again.
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Post RE: Chapter quote IIIb The Words of Hurin and Morgoth
on: February 19, 2009 12:00
Letting Morgoth know that he can't win is, in my opinion, a form of intimidation... Of course, that is just my opinion.
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