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Lenielestel
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on: June 02, 2014 12:34
I'm surprised if I am the first one to ask about this...but I did searches and found nothing similar. Maybe I am just bad at searching? If so, my apologies.

As far as I can tell, there are no Sindarin words for archery or archer, although I did find bow and arrow. I am wondering if anyone had coined a linguistically reasonable word or phrase to mean "archer." ?

I was thinking something like....

Edhel na cû (elf with a bow)

Or something like the English word "bowman"...not sure how I would do that. Maybe Cû-ben?

Ideas?
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on: June 02, 2014 01:35
Ooh, or what about Pengor?
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on: June 03, 2014 03:40
You could use either -or or -ben, as both have been used with nouns that don't have a corresponding verb stem; see Orodben and Bachor.
(-or of course is also used with verbs, such as Maethor = Warrior from Maetha- = to fight).

Which gives you the option of:
Pengor
Pengben
or Cû-ben as you suggest.
Not sure which I prefer!
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on: June 03, 2014 12:22
Goldogrin had cwingron "archer" [PE11:28], which leads one to conjecture *pengron in Sindarin. A similar attested formation is lhing-ril for "spider".

[Edited on 06/03/2014 by Elhath]
LotR-era Sindarin subject pronouns (with verbs) ❖ On translating "until" ❖ Old /-ch/ of /man agorech/ discussed
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on: June 04, 2014 04:27
Thank you both for your suggestions!
I am working on translating archery range commands for a little project (and my own amusement), which is what got me started. I've had a few difficulties, encountered some new sentence structure ideas, and generally had a lot of fun!

Here's what I've come up with so far. I would welcome any comments/advice!

Archery commands

Range clear?
I lír lost? (The range is empty?)
I lír barn? (The range is safe?)

Archers to the line.
Pengyr, anglenno i tî. (Archers, approach the line.)

The range is open.
Laden i lír.

You may loose when ready.
Cin defin leithio i philinn ir felegir hûr.
(I permit you to loose the arrows when you feel ready.)
However, I understand that this "ir" is questionable. Another thought...

N'i felegir hûr, cin defin leithio i philinn.
Na i lu felegir hûr, cin defin leithio i philinn.

Range is closed.
Hollen i lír.

Bows down.
Caedo cy gin. -or- Caedo ping gin.

You may retrieve.
Leutho i philinn gin. (Pick up your arrows.)

(Starting a speed round)
5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Loose!
Leben, canad, neledh, tâd, min, Leithio!
5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Stop.
Leben, canad, neledh, tâd, min, Daro!
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on: June 06, 2014 02:26
There's also an older verb adleg- = to let loose, to release you could use.

I'm not really sure lîr = row, range has the meaning you're using it for, as the Etymologies gloss includes "Cf. oeglir range of mountain peaks." It's a range or a row 'of' something rather than 'an archery range'.
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on: June 06, 2014 12:10
Oh, of course! How silly of me. I read the definition of lír "row, range" and somehow my brain couldn't make any kind of connection between the two words. Must have been too deeply in archery mode. Thank you! Might "parth" or "pel" be more appropriate? I'm leaning towards "pel, a fenced field" as most target ranges do tend to be fenced in some way for safety.
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on: June 06, 2014 01:18
Yes, pel would work nicely I think. Parth is more place names of large areas of grassland.
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on: April 08, 2015 02:32
I'm glad I found this thread! I need a word for "draw" or "pull", relating to bowstrings. The only word "draw" I can find is teithia-, for drawing with pens and ink. Anyone have a suggestion?
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on: April 08, 2015 06:31
The root *THAK behind Q. saca- "draw, pull" (see elfdict.com) would produce Sindarin *thag-, *thaga- as the simplest verb stems. (Whereas employing the proto-Eldarin suffix *-jâ- would give *the(i)gia-.)

A Gnomish-period verb ciltha- with the gloss "tug, jerk (out)" is found in Parma Eldalamberon #11, but with that a possible clash with the later (primary) word-root KIL which has the sense "divide / choose" should be taken into account.

[Edited on 04/08/2015 by Elhath]
LotR-era Sindarin subject pronouns (with verbs) ❖ On translating "until" ❖ Old /-ch/ of /man agorech/ discussed
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on: April 08, 2015 11:44
Le hannon, Elhath!
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