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on: January 07, 2015 03:54
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's?
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on: January 07, 2015 09:32
1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
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on: January 09, 2015 02:21
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor?
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on: January 10, 2015 07:24
1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor? No
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on: January 11, 2015 09:49
13.Are you a King of Gondor?
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on: January 12, 2015 06:04
1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor? No
13.Are you a King of Gondor? That I am.
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on: January 13, 2015 11:56
14. Did you die before the fall of Minas Ithil?
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on: January 13, 2015 01:50
Err...see question 10 Gando.
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on: January 14, 2015 12:19
So you are not Eärnur, who lived before the fall of Minas Ithil, last King before Aragorn II Estel (only Stewards between them), but you are also not in the LoTR story.

So you must be Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion (Appendix A "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen".
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on: January 16, 2015 03:53
1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor? No
13.Are you a King of Gondor? That I am.

Two Guesses taken, Gando:

Are you Eärnur? No
Are you Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion? See #11 .....
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on: January 16, 2015 04:05
That you are not Eärnur was not a guess but a statement of fact (unless the appendices in my 2002 copy of LoTR are faulty).

Are you Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion? See #11
Yes, my question:
11. Are you an ANCESTOR of Aragorn II Elessar's? No

OK.
Eldarion is a descendant of Aragorn and Arwen - the problem being regarding question 11?

[Edited on 01/16/2015 by Gandolorin]
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on: January 17, 2015 11:19
Let me clarify #11 .... The way you've phrased the question is very difficult to answer, Gando. The character is indirectly an ancestor of Aragorn is one way of putting it.
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on: January 17, 2015 05:35
Not an ancestor then. Ancestors have to be direct line, not great-uncles.
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on: January 17, 2015 08:41
Which is what I said when the question was asked.
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on: January 19, 2015 02:26
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No
13. Are you a King of Gondor? That I am.

NOT: Are you KING OF GONDOR before the fall of Minas Ithil!!!!!

Fall of Minas Ithil 2002 Third Age.

1975 Third Age: (Crown Prince of Gondor) Eärnur brings a fleet to Lindon. The Witch-king defeated ...

ergo: Eärnur lived before the fall of Minas Ithil and thus can not be meant.

2043 Eärnur becomes King of Gondor. He is challenged by the Witch-king.

2050 The challenge is renewed. Eärnur rides to Minas Morgul and is lost. Mardil becomes the first Ruling Steward.

The next King of Gondor (and also Arnor) is Aragorn II, only Ruling Stewards in between.

5. Are you in the LoTR story? No.

ergo: Aragorn is one of the main characters of LoTR, so he also can not be meant!

A) Did NOT live before the fall of Minas Ithil in 2002 Third Age.
B) IS a King of Gondor.
C) Is NOT in the LoTR story.

Leaves Eldarion, Aragorn and Arwen's son. I do not know where any information about their grandchildren may be found!
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on: January 20, 2015 12:42
Fight! Fight! Fight!
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on: January 21, 2015 11:06
@ Gando! You're last post was bordering on the disrespectful. Kindly remember that using bold text as you did is the equivalent of shouting. Also, I like smileys as much as anybody: one threatening smiley is, well, fun .... a row of them, not so much.

My sincere apologies, I was confused on the Minas Ithil dates and I have correct this in Question #10.

1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No Yes
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor? No
13.Are you a King of Gondor? That I am.

Guesses:

1. Are you Eärnur? No
2. Are you Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion? See #11 .....
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on: January 22, 2015 02:45
14. Are you mentioned in the LOTR story?
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on: January 23, 2015 06:44
1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No Yes
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor? No
13. Are you a King of Gondor? That I am.
14. 14. Are you mentioned in the LoTR story? Yes (RoTK only)

Guesses:

1. Are you Eärnur? No
2. Are you Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion? See #11 .....
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on: January 27, 2015 09:17
15. Does your name begin with E?
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on: January 27, 2015 04:37
Evil~Shieldmaiden said:@ Gando! You're last post was bordering on the disrespectful. Kindly remember that using bold text as you did is the equivalent of shouting. Also, I like smileys as much as anybody: one threatening smiley is, well, fun .... a row of them, not so much.

My sincere apologies, I was confused on the Minas Ithil dates and I have correct this in Question #10.


E~S: you are pretty much the last person on CoE that I would want to be disrespectful of.

Though, just as an aside, I have heard etc. the word "respect" misused by so many people as a demand for it, where upon hearing etc. the demand for it I respond with the social graces of a mixture of a Tasmanian devil, a wolverine and a werewolf: "nobody is hindering you at earning my respect; respect can only be earned. End of message."

Question 10: Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No Yes
*sigh*

Question 5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
Question 14. Are you mentioned in the LoTR story? Yes (RoTK only)
Contradiction.

Guess 2. Are you Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion? See #11 .....
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No

Eldarion obviously cannot be an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's. But this is true for millions of others. Reference to question #11 is totally irrelevant, just answer "no" (BLEEEP).

I'll leave the guessing to others.
You may not have intended the impression I got, but I got it. And my impression was of being baloney-sandwiched. Which is why I responded so harshly above.

[Edited on 01/28/2015 by Gandolorin]
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on: January 27, 2015 05:53
Question 5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
Question 14. Are you mentioned in the LoTR story? Yes (RoTK only)
Contradiction.
Not so. A name can be mentioned yet that person not be a part of the story. That's why I asked it.
E~S: you are pretty much the last person on CoE that I would want to be disrespectful of
I'm hurt.
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tarcolan said:
Question 5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
Question 14. Are you mentioned in the LoTR story? Yes (RoTK only)
Contradiction.
Not so. A name can be mentioned yet that person not be a part of the story. That's why I asked it.
E~S: you are pretty much the last person on CoE that I would want to be disrespectful of
I'm hurt.

Argh! A hair-splitting tournament.
Where's my newest Swiss Army Knife ...?

If you are mentioned, you are in, and thus a part of, the story being told. I would agree with the formulation "A name can be mentioned yet that person not be a participant of the story.

And then, I did not write the E~S is the only person on CoE that I would not want to be disrespectful of. Meaning that I am disrespectful of all others, as a "logical" deduction might be formulated. Anything but that. I am also very much opposed to pseudoaccurate "rankings" that some media are so fond of. Very many of the assumptions underlying the details of their "rankings" are seriously open to at times harsh challenge. So consider my statement "pretty much the last person on CoE" as being a large basket with lots of room for others, including yourself, no question.
I'm on the other end of the analogous thread in my Realm, so I'm going to concentrate on that until I can hand the baton over to the next solver.
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on: January 28, 2015 07:52
I'm apologize, Gando, if my comment caused a issue for you. That was certainly not my intention.

tarc is correct: the character is mentioned only in the RoTK. He does not play an active part in the War of the Ring as he lived many years before the events took place.


1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No Yes
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor? No
13. Are you a King of Gondor? That I am.
14. Are you mentioned in the LoTR story? Yes (RoTK only)
15. Does your name begin with E? No

Guesses:

1. Are you Eärnur? No
2. Are you Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion? See #11 ...
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16. Is your father a King of Gondor?
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1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No Yes
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor? No
13. Are you a King of Gondor? That I am.
14. Are you mentioned in the LoTR story? Yes (RoTK only)
15. Does your name begin with E? No
16. Is your father a King of Gondor? Yes

Guesses:

1. Are you Eärnur? No
2. Are you Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion? See #11 ...
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17. Is your mother also of Gondor?
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1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No Yes
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor? No
13. Are you a King of Gondor? That I am.
14. Are you mentioned in the LoTR story? Yes (RoTK only)
15. Does your name begin with E? No
16. Is your father a King of Gondor? Yes
17. Is your mother also of Gondor? Like so many of Tolkien's characters, my mother isn't named.

Guesses:

1. Are you Eärnur? No
2. Are you Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion? See #11 ...
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18. Were you known by a name including the ending "-dacil", victor?
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1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No Yes
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor? No
13. Are you a King of Gondor? That I am.
14. Are you mentioned in the LoTR story? Yes (RoTK only)
15. Does your name begin with E? No
16. Is your father a King of Gondor? Yes
17. Is your mother also of Gondor? Like so many of Tolkien's characters, my mother isn't named.
18. Were you known by a name including the ending "-dacil", victor? Nope

Guesses:

1. Are you Eärnur? No
2. Are you Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion? See #11 ...

Two more questions, or one more guess and I start posting hints.
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19. Did you have a son who followed you on the throne of Gondor?
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on: February 04, 2015 10:08
"I am patient. I can wait."

1. Are you... evil? No
2. Are you mortal? Yes
3. Are you female? No
4. Are you a man? Yup
5. Are you in the LoTR story? No
6. Do you live in the Third Age? Yes
7.Are you of the line of Elendil? Yes, aren't we all?
8. Do you live mainly in Arnor? No
9. Do you die in battle? No
10. Did you live before the fall of Minas Ithil? No Yes
11. Are you an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar's? No
12. Are you a Steward of Gondor? No
13. Are you a King of Gondor? That I am.
14. Are you mentioned in the LoTR story? Yes (RoTK only)
15. Does your name begin with E? No
16. Is your father a King of Gondor? Yes
17. Is your mother also of Gondor? Like so many of Tolkien's characters, my mother isn't named.
18. Were you known by a name including the ending "-dacil", victor? Nope
19. Did you have a son who followed you on the throne of Gondor? No

Guesses:

1. Are you Eärnur? No
2. Are you Aragorn and Arwen's son Eldarion? See #11 ...
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on: February 05, 2015 11:53
"I am patient. I can wait."

When Gando and I were chatting today, he noted he was fresh out of ideas for questions so I said I would post my first hint.

Hint:

1. I had no children so I was succeed by my nephew who became the second of four specially designated Kings of Gondor.

[Edited on 02/06/2015 by Evil~Shieldmaiden]
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"I am patient. I can wait."

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