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Sarniel
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on: November 27, 2014 08:27
Was anyone else extremly disappointed by the Goblin king in the Hobbit?
I found him to be completly different from what I had imagined while reading the book. He was supposed to be a big creature with a huge head, but from what I could tell it was more huge melting double chin.
He seemed nothing like a fearsome giant goblin to me.
In the movie he is played by Barry Humphries.
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on: November 28, 2014 04:40
I thought that his voice was off. It was too elegant for someone who has been hanging out in the mountains for ages. I thought it was spot on for his very first line, and then by the time he got to "Spies? Thieves? Assassins?" it was much too squeaky. But at least we have a movie.
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on: November 28, 2014 04:48
I must say he wasn't exactly what I expected! I find him more funny that scary, rather hilarious in fact! I laugh every time I see him singing, especially in the extended scene of AUJ. He certainly doesn't seem a fearsome goblin king to me either, Sarniel. & Maxie, I'd never thought about his voice before but now that you mention it, it is rather elegant for a goblin, which I thought were supposed to be rather uncouth and vile creatures. So that's my two-cents worth!
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on: November 29, 2014 05:29
I just asked my sister her thoughts, since I clicked into this thread. And she said, "I didn't expect him to be so big, compared to all of the other goblins!"
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on: November 30, 2014 03:46
I wasn't sure what you meant about the voice, but I went to check on Youtube and you're completly right, it just doesnt fit! I guess I was to distracted by the appearance to even notice the voice was off.
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on: November 30, 2014 11:21
This is a bit off-topic but I also find the goblin king's scribe rather humorous. He reminds me of the cupid in Tangled.
His appearance certainly is distracting! I don't think I expected him to be quite that big either.
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on: November 30, 2014 02:40
Yes. Far too elegant for such a creature.
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on: June 21, 2015 09:20
Well, elegant isn't really the right word......un-goblin like maybe? I mean, he is dirty!
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on: June 21, 2015 09:46
I also found his voice to be too elegant for a creature like him. I thought it should have been more....scratchy.

I was very disappointed, after waiting months for the EE, that so much time was given to the Goblin King singing. Those extra minutes could have been better spent.
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on: June 22, 2015 05:28
A gigantic "Blob-" goblin - one of PJ's worse misses. And yes, the voice makes it even worse. And as far as the extension of the cinema version in the EE (not the appendices), AuJ was far and away the worst of the five which have been released so far. Actually, blobby's singing etc. was about par for the course for the waste of the few extra minutes in AuJ EE - the rest was hardly better, if at all.
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on: June 22, 2015 01:38
Gandolorin said:And yes, the voice makes it even worse. And as far as the extension of the cinema version in the EE (not the appendices), AuJ was far and away the worst of the five which have been released so far

Personally, I prefer the EE of AUJ to the EE of DOS. AUJ has lots of character building for the dwarves, more Rivendell footage ( ), and just ends up being a more rounded out and amazing movie than the theatrical version.
Back on topic, elegant? I would not have described the Goblin king's voice that way. More like 'disgusting '
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on: June 22, 2015 08:12
Hmm, I thought there was something odd about the Great Goblin, but I would have described it as a bizarre comicalness, not an excess of elegance. And he is disgusting beyond belief. Disgusting does not equal scary for me, in fact my fave villains the Nazguls, are quite "wholesome" compared.

(I'll also stick up for AUJ EE.)
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on: June 23, 2015 04:31
Estelanor Of The Shire said:... AUJ has lots of character building for the dwarves, ...

I agree with you on this entirely - it's just that I consider PJ's characterization of the Dwarves to be pretty much as bad as his Blob-Goblin. Gimli in LoTR the movie is far too much on the comic relief side for his character, but compared to a lot of Thorin's company he is a grim warrior. The culminating battle of the War of the Dwarves and Orcs in AuJ (flashback before the party reaches Rivendell) and Dain Ironfoot's hacking away at the Orcs in the battle in BoFA come closer to my idea of JRRT's Dwarves, relentless fighters (and NO, NOT using a slingshot!!!!!).
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on: June 23, 2015 06:38
Gandolorin said
it's just that I consider PJ's characterization of the Dwarves to be pretty much as bad as his Blob-Goblin. Gimli in LoTR the movie is far too much on the comic relief side for his character, but compared to a lot of Thorin's company he is a grim warrior. The culminating battle of the War of the Dwarves and Orcs in AuJ (flashback before the party reaches Rivendell) and Dain Ironfoot's hacking away at the Orcs in the battle in BoFA come closer to my idea of JRRT's Dwarves, relentless fighters (and [b]NO, NOT using a slingshot

Okay, Ori's slingshot was kind of -well, not what I would expect from a dwarf warrior. But I think that a lot of the dwarves were actually serious warriors, but with a fun loving and unruly side as well. Thorin is usually pretty grim (notice he doesn't join in the rough housing PLUS he has table manners!!!), as is Dwalin. I thought the dwarves came across as really tough and relentless, and showing them goofing off and acting non-serious (as in Rivendell) only made them seem more real. Before the Hobbit movies and book, I never would have thought of dwarves as a noble race of tough warriors. Anyway, I liked Sir Jackson's portrayal of the dwarves.

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Add a party hat, and I think that fits
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I should add that I didn't think much of Bombur fighting just with cooking gear; a little too comic for me



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on: July 20, 2015 09:55
I actually found the voice kind of fitting, it seemed to give him ... I dunno, more of an evil intelligence? than the rest of the goblins. But he shouldn't have been made to look like a giant blob, a little more war-like might've been better.
I couldn't stand his singing in the EE though, I always find that a bit hard to watch.
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