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Post phonology vowel i
on: April 25, 2019 05:48
I took a look at this lesson: http://www.councilofelrond.com/reading/01-phon-stress/

What confuses me is this part:

I– pronounced like I in ‘sick’. If I is at the beginning of a word, in front of another vowel, it has the consonantal sound of Y like in ‘yore’.

So if the i is before a vowel(a,e,i,o,u) it is pronounced Y like in 'yore'

Soooo by above knowledge Gilthoniel would be pronounced Gill-thon-yell (gills/thorn/yell)

but then it also sais:

“I” would have to take on an “ee” sound before another vowel, if both vowels are to be pronounced, and fluidly at that. Otherwise you would be “spitting out” words like Gilthoniel with “i el” sounding like a hiccup !! An example in our own language of this pronunciation would be a word like “orient”, where the “i” isn’t considered “long” but certainly doesn’t sound “short” either. In Sindarin, the ‘i’ near the end of a word like Gilthoniel isn’t “long”, but happens to sound long. This is how Tolkien pronounces the “medial i” before other vowels in his recordings.

Sooo by above knowledge Gilthoniel would be pronounced as Gill-tho-nee-yell (gills-thorn-kneel-yell)

So which one is it?
And if it's the second option, then why not just write it as an î since î is explained to pronounced as ee anyway?

Wouldn't Gilthonîel be pronounced Gill-tho-nee-yell just the same?

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on: April 30, 2019 05:22
The final -iel is pronounced as yell.
You can hear a lot of examples on following page:

(go to the first example under Consonants)

[Edited on 05/01/2019 by dirk_math]
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