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on: August 12, 2014 01:31
CGI is thriving, and moviemakers are short on plots. Anything can be simplified, mediocrized and altered to attract mass audience, if the original work has lots of attractive characters, epic fights, huge drama, love plots and wow effects. The Sil has a ton of all of those. Mark my words, one day when the rights are available, it *will* be made into an effects-packed movie series.
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on: October 29, 2014 11:08
I talked about a Silmarillion movie with my son. It's not a possibility, it's the obvious... They can't let us down!


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on: December 04, 2014 07:43
I just read an article that Jackson said that he's done with tolkien films at least until the tolkien estate backs down a bit. The Hobbit and lotr were the only books that film rights were sold and that the estate wasn't happy with the commercialisation of the story and characters
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on: December 05, 2014 12:08
But film making doesn't end with Christopher Tolkien and Peter Jackson, does it? I, like Nol, believe that the Silmarillion is going to be filmed at some point, sooner or later, for better or worse, by PJ or someone else. It's going to happen, and we'll just have to hope it'll be good...or, if you're really pessimistic, that we'll be dead by that time.
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on: December 05, 2014 02:35
Right. I don't think Jackson will be doing anymore, but it doesn't look like anyone else will any time soon either.
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on: December 05, 2014 02:50
The Tolkien Estate backing down to PJ is as likely as a snowball's long-term survival in Angband. It will take the expiry of copyright for anything happening with Sil on the Silver Screen. I have vague memories of this happening after 70 years, makes it 2047 (and the book "The Children of Húrin" 2077).

(I also noticed there was a long pause in comments here, from January 2008 to August 2014.)

The Hobbit film was speculation (as I believe I remember) in 2008. By August 2014, DoS was available on DVD (and by now the much improved EE), and BoFA is hitting the cinemas shortly.

So now, the only two books about Middle-Earth ever completed by JRRT himself have become films.

And in one way of looking at it, all fifteen books CRT has published about Middle-Earth since his father's death - Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, History of Middle-Earth volumes 1 to 12, The Children of Húrin - are additions to the appendices to LoTR. Which should make it the book with the most massive appendices ever published, in all of history (which can only be recorded once people learned to read and write).

Just to play a bit of the Devil's advocate: why just make a film of the Silmarillion? Making a film out of HoME, now THAT would be a challenge. Image Image Image
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on: December 05, 2014 03:50
Gando, I have now elected you in charge of directing TS and HoME. I think that there may be a remote possibility of it, but a LOT goes on in the Silmarillion. So we will see.
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on: December 06, 2014 10:19
Interesting thought, Maxie. Now all I need is the telephone number of the people at the BBC just chafing at the chance to to a fifty-part (at one hour each) documentary based on HoME, and as a grand finale, a two three-part Silmarillion (at three hours per part). Sounds like a piece of cake. Image Image Image
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on: December 06, 2014 01:16
You never know. At any rate, I guess we will have to just wait and see what the future holds.
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on: December 07, 2014 08:09
There is NO way that the Silmarillion can be made into a movie by PJ any time before the copyright expires. And even then the estate would rather lock Peter Jackson away in a cage forever rather than let him "ruin"* another of Tolkiens works, that is if he is still alive and able to direct. Any other director? I don't think so. Their hate of Peter Jackson's work has probably established a paranoia about adapting Tolkiens work into films. Unfortunately, they just hate the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit so much at the moment it is highly highly highly improbable that they will allow the Sil to be made into a film.
*I do not share the view of the Tolkien estate

And gandolorin, good luck with that!
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on: December 07, 2014 11:26
I recently read an article that said Peter Jackson plans to make a series of 49 films about the Silmarillion, 15 of which will be redoing LotR into what it should have been, & another 16 of elves dancing. However, I have been unable to verify it & the more I think about it, the more crazy it sounds. As interesting as it would be, there is so much that goes on (as someone else already pointed out!) that I personally think it would be difficult to film. Although I must admit I would love to see a movie about Beren & Luthien! Has anyone else read this article? I'm not sure how to put links or here or else I would.
& yes, PSK, I have also heard how much the whole Tolkien family dislikes the films & think they will never relinquish the rights to any other works. I also think I heard something about PJ not even wanting to make the Hobbit movies, so why would he decide to continue something he never wished to do in the first place?
One more thing: the ending song for BotFA is entitled "The Last Goodbye", which seems to suggest this is the end of Middle Earth as far as PJ is concerned.
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on: December 09, 2014 10:59
That's deep analysis there with that last comment BlueberryMuffins76. I am not really sure what to think of that article. It just doesn't sound credible (especially the elf dancing). I definitely can't see that coming.
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on: December 10, 2014 10:21
You can call me Blue Yes, the more I contemplate that article, the less credible it seems! As much as I would enjoy entire films of elves dancing (and as jealous as I would be of those who participated!), I really do not think they would be very popular. It would be nice to have LOTR redone more in accordance with the books, though! As much as I enjoy the movies, I enjoy the books even more & have to read them from time to time because PJ left out some of my most favorite parts. I guess that was a bit off topic; oh well!
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on: December 30, 2014 11:33
Being as it's pretty much a history book, not likely. The mainstream audience also will not know who anyone in the stories is, so that part won't work.
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on: December 30, 2014 02:36
The comparisons, especially for the "Ainulindalë" and the "Valaquenta", have been less with history books as with the Old Testament, and for the above with Genesis. The "Quenta Silmarillion" may be compared with parts of the Old Testament after the end of the Pentateuch, the first five books attributed to Moses.

From memory and DVDs, Charlton Heston played Moses (opposite Yul Brynner's Pharaoh), and much more recently Russel Crowe played Noah. Any chance someone will do a film on the entire OT? There are legalistic parts (repeated, to make things worse from a director's point of view) in comparison to which the CoE of the book is a snappy Abbot and Costello skit. And as I just learned from Wikipedia, three films titled "Samson and Delilah" have been released: 1949 (the classic with Victor Mature in the title role), 1984, 1996. A vaguely sort of Turin theme.

So what is going to happen first: a film about the entire OT (no copyright issues), or of the whole Silmarillion? And yes, I consider the two comparable.
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on: December 30, 2014 07:04
The story of Noah, Moses, etc. work as individual movies because those very well known stories. Maybe the story of Luthien/ Beren might work.
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on: December 30, 2014 07:19
Oh, I love the idea of Beren & Luthien! In my opinion that was the best chapter in the whole book! However, I do not care for the Lost Tales version.
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on: December 30, 2014 11:24
1. Peter Jackson is not J.R.R. Tolkien. May the former not attempt to ruin any more of the latter's writings with his fan-fic hubris.
2. Christopher Tolkien is well into his 80's. May the heir of the estate be very discerning with any movie rights of the stories of the Silmarillion.
3. As a whole, I can't see The Silmarillion being done. I CAN see the Children of Hurin being done (by someone other than the PJ gang), either as a feature-length movie or as a Game of Thrones style mini-series. Other parts could get the same treatment. The trouble is to get the back story without going too over the top.

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