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dabenj19
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on: June 09, 2014 01:06
i dont know a lot about the elven lord gil-galad can anybody give more info about him and the valar ?
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on: June 09, 2014 04:31
Hmm, I'll attack the dreaded: who is Gil-galad's father?



In the constructed Silmarillion Christopher Tolkien chose Fingon to be Gil-galad's father. This was one of Tolkien's ideas. Christopher Tolkien later stated that he thought he should have left the matter obscure [and did so in the long prose version of The Children of Hurin I think].

Tolkien's last known idea was that Gil-galad was the son of Orodreth [Arothir] however, who himself was the son of Angrod [not Angrod's brother]. This would arguably affect the Nargothrond tale...

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In the note in which Fingon becomes King of the Noldor and sends his son Gil-galad to the Havens [compared to the 1977 Silmarillion], the line reads: ['… Fingon took the lordship of the house of Fingolfin and the kingdom of the Noldor. [Late penciled addition: But his young son (?Findor) [sic] Gilgalad he sent to the Havens]' War of the Jewels. p. 56]. This is present on the GA typescript, itself dating to 1958.

So the external progression seems to be:

A) Felagund sends his wife and son to the Havens for safety -- A1) or demands that Orodreth do so -- A2) or Felagund's wife forsakes Nargothrond with Gil-galad.

B) Then later the idea re-emerges that Gil-galad was sent to the havens, by his father Fingon.

C) Then later again Gil-galad is back as a Finarfinian, but now 'escapes'... I assume escapes the fall of Nargothrond.

Unless I've made a mistake here. Anyway I do think the 'Nargothrond element' of Gil-galad as son of Orodreth/Arothir needed some thinking.
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on: June 09, 2014 07:18
Does anyone know if the ballad of the "Fall of Gil-galad" is finished in any other of Tolkien's works? I've only read the Hobbit and LOTR.

Gil-galad was an elven king
Of him the harpers sadly sing
The last whose realm was fair and free
Between the mountains and the sea

Ah, love it.
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on: June 10, 2014 07:18
... and there's always the encyclopaedia.
dabenj19
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on: June 10, 2014 07:42
Thanks for that info it helped a lot
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