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violingal13
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on: February 04, 2006 11:53
thanks dirk_math! I hadn't gotten that far yet.
stem - lor- to slumber
present - lora - is slumbering ('o' should be long -- my computer's being stupid)
past - lornë - slumbered
aorist - lorë - slumbers
future - loruva - will slumber
perfect - olorië - has slumbered (second 'o' is long)
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on: February 04, 2006 10:28
> The past tense of car- is indeed carnë.

Let's say it was 1937-39 when Tolkien wrote the Etymologies. On the other hand, it certainly was cáre around 1946 when Tolkien wrote the 'Notion Club Papers' as ohtakáre is attested in SD:246.

Helge argues that Tolkien had apparently limited the use of vowel-lengthening past tenses mainly based on the replacement káre > carne from Fíriel's Song to the Etymologies, but as the even later reappearance of the Form in the Notion Club Papers shows, that is not the case.

So a blanket statement that the past tense 'is indeed carne doesn't do - instead, we see Tolkien changing the form back and forth from the Qenya Lexicon káre to the Early Qenya grammar karne to Fíriel's Song káre to the Etymologies carne to the Notion Club Papers #káre. For all I know, he still might not have made up his mind in 1968.
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Post RE: Verbs - Tense Game
on: February 05, 2006 02:38
What's more, just as in English, its entirely possible for a given verb to have both a strong and a weak past-tense form, coexistent: e.g., "shine", strong pa.t. "shone", weak pa.t. "shined". Further, as in English, it may be that the strong pa.t. forms "sound" older and/or more poetic than the weak form.

So I see no reason to state the the pa.t. of kar- "is" one or the other: better to say that both strong and weak pa.t. forms are attested.
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on: February 07, 2006 05:36
stem: onta- to beget, to create
present: ontëa - is creating
past: ontanë/ónë - created
aorist: onta - is creating
future: ontuva - will create
perfect: onontië (ontië?) - has created
infinitive: onta - to create

please correct me if anything is wrong..

[Edited on 14/2/2006 by elennilda]
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on: February 08, 2006 12:47
Elennilda, I would expect ontië to be its gerund.
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on: February 09, 2006 12:01
And onta- also has a strong past tense ónë.
Yassë engë lómë, anarties calali.
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on: February 13, 2006 11:23
stem: tec- - "write"
present: téca - "is writing"
past: tencë - "wrote"
future: tecuva - "will write"
perfect: etécië - "has written"
aorist: tecë - "write"
infinitive: tecë - "to write"
active participle: técla -"writing"
passive participle: técina - "written"
gerund: tecië - "writing"
imperative: á tecë - "write!"

[Edited on 13/2/2006 by TheIstarMithrandir]
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Post RE: Verbs - Tense Game
on: February 13, 2006 12:55
The active participle is more likely to be técala
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Post RE: Verbs - Tense Game
on: February 14, 2006 03:38
Elennilda, I would expect ontië to be its gerund.

thanks tyrhael, I hadn't read lesson 13 when I posted it, so i didn't know how the gerund was formed. Now I have

And onta- also has a strong past tense ónë.

Thanks!
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Post RE: Verbs - Tense Game
on: February 14, 2006 03:51
stem: erca- to prick
present: ercëa - is pricking
past: ercanë - pricked
future: ercuva - will prick
perfect: erercië (?) - has pricked
aorist: erca - prick
infinitive: erca - to prick
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Post RE: Verbs - Tense Game
on: February 20, 2006 07:20
stem: caita- to lie down
present: caitëa - is lying
past: cëantë - lied
future: caituva - will lie
perfect: acëantië? I have no clue... - was lying
aorist: caita - lies
participle: caitaina
participle: caitala
gerund: caitië

I'm fairly sure the past is fine but the perfect is an absolute guess, not even an educated one. would _kay'ta_ become _akayantie_ in the perfect? Since in the past it became _kayante_... ?

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Post RE: Verbs - Tense Game
on: February 20, 2006 11:20
For the perfect, I'd also have come up with acëantië (but I'd have glossed it as "has lied"); Its a shame that "irregular" verbs are too... well... irregular for us to know their forms for certain.

[Edited on 20/2/2006 by Lambengolmo]
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Post RE: Verbs - Tense Game
on: February 22, 2006 01:21
stem: intya- ( to suppose)
present: iintyëa ( is supposing)
past: intyanë ( supposed)
future: intyuva ( will suppose)
aorist: intya ( supposes)


pronouns:

intyanyë ( i suppose)
intyalyë ( you suppose)
intyaryë (he/she/it suppose)
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Post RE: Verbs - Tense Game
on: February 17, 2007 10:12
I loved this game when it was running — is it okay to revive it?

stem: ninquita- "to whiten"
present: ninquitëa "is whitening"
past: ninquitánë "whitened"
future: ninquituva "will whiten"
aorist: ninquita "whitens"
imperative: á ninquita "whiten!"
perfect: ?ininquítië? "had whitened"
pa. p.: ?ninquitaina? or ?ninquinta from nasal infixion like that of envinyanta "whitened"
pre. p.: ninquítala? ninquítila? "whitening"
gerund: ninquitië "whitening"
ext. inf. ninquitata "to whiten"


[Edited on 2/17/2007 by Tyrhael]
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on: February 18, 2007 03:55
Of course it's okay to revive this game (as well as any older thread... as long as something is here, and someone has something to add to it, please go ahead)
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