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on: May 07, 2010 10:14
Wow - now that's an idea worth a wide smile I'll enjoy watching that relationship evolve :love:

And - wonderful post, Erumelmo! And so long it made me jealous
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on: May 07, 2010 08:52
love it love it!!

Me, too.

Wow - now that's an idea worth a wide smile I'll enjoy watching that relationship evolve :love:

And - wonderful post, Erumelmo! And so long it made me jealous


Thanks, Nif.
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on: May 09, 2010 05:02
Bleh, exams.

I like the idea of a romance between those two, even though they couldn't go too far with it (both being married and all). It's cute! :love:
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on: May 09, 2010 11:01
Well both are widowed. Hope your exams went well!
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on: May 11, 2010 08:09
Exams are always a pain in a certain place, but it feels great when they're finally over. What are you studying, Galen?

And it's always a refreshing thing to have a little romance in a story
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on: May 12, 2010 01:47
Galenfea, both of them have lost their spouses. Thus the idea of a 'new love' - besides, I was reading through the character descriptions and I saw two characters who I knew would suit Lil's heart's course. The first was someone who reminded her of her son, Celeblas, who has left for Valinor; the second who she 'instantly liked' - and I am glad she did. Now it remains to be seen if Randiron seems to like her: because as both Gwendeth and I agreed, characters truly seem to have minds and hearts of their own. All the best with the exams!

Nif, I always thought romance should have its place in any story. Even if it happens on the sidelines. *sheepish grin*

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on: May 14, 2010 05:52
They're over and I'm free! Free as a bird!

I don't have a problem with them falling in love again It's just that widowed elves can't remarry (except that one time, and that ended well). Up to that point, romance away!
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on: May 14, 2010 07:28
It's just that widowed elves can't remarry (except that one time, and that ended well). Up to that point, romance away!


Yep, I was thinking the same thing...so eventually, the romance, if it occurs, would end sadly...
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on: May 15, 2010 06:57
Widowed elves can't remarry? Why is that?
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on: May 15, 2010 10:41
Widowed elves can't remarry? Why is that?

I think the precedent is that the only elf attested to have remarried is Feanor and the result was not a happy one (eventually resulting in Morgoth).

A shame that one bad apple can spoil so much.
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on: May 16, 2010 07:11
Widowed elves can't remarry? Why is that?

I think the precedent is that the only elf attested to have remarried is Feanor and the result was not a happy one (eventually resulting in Morgoth).

A shame that one bad apple can spoil so much.


Indeed so... No wonder they died of grief having to live for the rest of eternity without even a chance to love again if their spouse had died Romantic, no doubt of that, but way too sad.
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on: May 17, 2010 11:07
Widowed elves can't remarry? Why is that?

I think the precedent is that the only elf attested to have remarried is Feanor and the result was not a happy one (eventually resulting in Morgoth).

A shame that one bad apple can spoil so much.


Indeed so... No wonder they died of grief having to live for the rest of eternity without even a chance to love again if their spouse had died Romantic, no doubt of that, but way too sad.


If I may, it was Finwe who remarried, not Feanor. He was married to Miriel from whom he got Feanor as a child. She died after an expenditure of Spirit, in the birth. So Finwe remarried - Indis was his second wife.

Feanor had one wife who was Nerdanel.

Also was doing a bit of online research and found a quote from a discussion I found:

"feanor was furious at finwe's marrying of the lady indis after miriel, his mother, died.

yes, and after that, the elves really avoided second marriages

it appears that once married - it was for life; forever - until the world ended

for life, and no remarrying if you spouse died

Wait, I don't agree.

not after the way Finwe's second marriage turned out

Take Olwe.

ok, what about Olwe?

In the Silmarillion...he obviously has a daughter. But we never hear of his wife again. It is never mentioned that she lived with him in Tol Eressea or in Alqualonde in the Silmarillion. She was a convenient "plot device" to explain Earwen.

There is no mention of love, or even, really, of marriage.

so what do we conclude from that?

tolkien had a marked tendency to discount the role of wives, unfortunetaly. females in general, other than galadriel."

In fact, Finwe's second marriage worked out far better than his first, rewarding him with great children and grand children.

But coming back to the matter at hand - of a probable relationship between Lillassea and Randiron I would like to point out that I think it is more or less a decision between the characters themselves?


[Edited on 17/5/2010 by Erumelmo]
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on: May 17, 2010 01:18
Duh, sorry on the misnaming there. I'm at my daughter's and don't have my reference stuff with me.

It could/would be a decision for the characters yes - I think the question would be whether a happy ending for them would be considered TT or not. :S
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on: May 17, 2010 02:42
No problem, it happens to the best of us - in fact, I was wondering about Feanor's "second wife" and if the seven children had anything to do with the 'first' dying... then I thought "hmmm - Feanor's wife was left back in Valinor when he left it" then I did some googling to double check.

And I was thinking about the happy ending being TT or not, too. I am a sucker for happy endings, so please allow me a little hope. I mean if Finwe could do it... *gives his best impression of an imploring look*

Seriously though, we are jumping the gun. Let's just see how it works out as the posts are written.

Also, I just want to keep a tab on the writing order of the posters here as a quick reference for me:

Galenfea
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on: May 17, 2010 11:55
It's in 'Laws and Customs of the Eldar' - because elven marriage is a bond of souls (which occurs when they sleep together), it continues after one or both elves go to Mandos. A widowed elf can remarry (as was the case with Finwe), but only after a long time period and with the express permission of the dead spouse, as it means that he/she would have to remain in Mandos forever. Obviously, it's not even possible for a widow and widower in Middle Earth to contact their spouses to ask for permission...

Personally, I think Feanor and Nerdanel having seven sons was because they desperately wanted a daughter

Yeah, it is jumping the gun a little - they've just shown interest in one another and we're arguing about whether they can get married! I just didn't want to be the party pooper later on.

That seems to be the order it's going in, yeah, though it's probably better if we don't make it too concrete.
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on: May 18, 2010 02:01
Yeah, it is jumping the gun a little - they've just shown interest in one another and we're arguing about whether they can get married! I just didn't want to be the party pooper later on.

That seems to be the order it's going in, yeah, though it's probably better if we don't make it too concrete.


I'll keep that in mind.
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on: May 20, 2010 02:10
No, no jumping the gun at all!

I did ask BerethEdhellen about it, however, and she's going to do some research for us to be on the safe side - just so we have the RPG Mod weighing in.
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on: May 30, 2010 01:31
Is it just me growing impatient with the continuous silence? Gwen, has Bereth given any answer regarding the above matter? Are we waiting for her before we continue?
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on: May 30, 2010 03:15
Hi, no, Ber hasn't given me any info yet, and personally, I don't think we need to wait on that. If our charries decide there's any attraction, it's going to be a slooooow one anyway.

Erumelmo, it's your turn, isn't it?
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on: May 31, 2010 08:46
Erumelmo already posted. Gwen, I believe the turn is yours
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on: May 31, 2010 10:21
:blush: :blush: :blush: Gah! I have no idea how I missed that it was my turn! I'm sure I read your post, too, eru! sheesh!

Okay, my apologies for keeping y'all waiting!

*hops off to work on post*
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on: May 31, 2010 04:18
:blush: :blush: :blush: Gah! I have no idea how I missed that it was my turn! I'm sure I read your post, too, eru! sheesh!

Okay, my apologies for keeping y'all waiting!

*hops off to work on post*


It happens. No apologies required. I keep going back to check the sequence of posts myself as well. I had written my post and then talked about the possible-romantic angle here.
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on: June 18, 2010 05:43
Sooo... :S
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on: June 18, 2010 06:15
My deepest apologies... I'm still working on a post. I got delayed by work (I work in a church office and we had two funerals to prepare for last week). I should have a post up soon...
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on: June 19, 2010 01:44
OK. Just wanted to make sure it didn't die! I look forward to seeing it.
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on: June 19, 2010 06:38
It won't die. Don't worry, Galenfea. I'll definitely be around!!
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on: June 20, 2010 02:24
Okay, I finally got a post up - hopefully it's all right.
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on: June 23, 2010 10:54
Looks great! :love:
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on: June 23, 2010 11:12
Yep. It does.
I believe it's Nif's turn?
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on: June 30, 2010 11:39
It sure is! But pray, give me a little time! I'm in the middle of the last week of organizing a major festival and totally swamped with work. Can you wait until the festival's over? That is - until the 11th of July? I promise to tell you all about it!
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on: July 25, 2010 11:22
How'd it go?
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on: August 05, 2010 12:27
Any sign of Nif?
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Post RE: Galadriel's Heirloom (TT thread)
on: August 05, 2010 03:37
She did say she would be busy in her last mail...maybe sending in a reminder PM...?
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on: August 08, 2010 12:55
I sent one a couple of days back, but I haven't heard anything yet
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Post RE: Galadriel's Heirloom (TT thread)
on: August 11, 2010 12:34
Yeah, Nif posted her festival would be over with the 11th of July - that was a month ago.
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