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RE: OOC for Conquering Helcaraxë (KEEP) on: May 05, 2007 02:34
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Thanks so much, Bereth. Yes, I think Lembas would be available then. Never thought of it as it being learnt at Valinor. I could work with that.
Yes, the journey was made to the west once before, but I assume that was over the sea. That is why Feanor manages to do so successfully. Over a subcontinent of ice though, this was the first time. Naturally, things will not be able to grow there - but what I shall do is research on what mountaineers use when they scale mountains like Everest and see what they carry, since they would be travelling in lands filled with ice and snow as well. Maybe I could pick up some useful tips.
For Iri, a timeline taken from wikipedia. I am sending the timeline from the Years of the Trees to the end of the First Age with the war of wrath.
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Years of the Trees
For consistency, dates below will continue to be given in Valian Years. In some cases, after V.Y. 4580, exact chronological order cannot be determined and the placement of undated entries is estimated.
* 3501 - A new tally of years is begun with Year of the Trees 1.
* Aulë the Smith makes the Dwarves but is not allowed to awaken them; Yavanna thinks of the Ents in response
* 4500 - The Valar hold council to discuss the concerns of Oromë and Yavanna regarding Middle-earth and the impending arrival of the Eruhíni, or Children of Illúvatar.
* Varda begins gathering light from the Trees of the Valar for the Great Stars.
* Varda sets the Menelmacar and other constellations in the sky.
* 4550 - Varda finishes her work on the Great Stars, setting the Sickle of the Valar in the north as a challenge to Melkor.
First Age
During the Years of the Trees the First Age of the Children of Ilúvatar begins, at the Awakening of the Elves.
* 4550 - Eru awakens the Elves.
* Melian the Maia departs for Middle-earth.
* 4580 - Melkor discovers and begins capturing Elves in secret.
* Melkor begins breeding the Orcs from captured Elves, and the Trolls; Khazad-dûm founded by Durin the Deathless
* 4585 - Oromë first learns of the Elves
* 4586 - Oromë returns to Valinor, informs the other Valar of the dangers faced by the Elves, and then returns immediately to Cuiviénen.
* 4590 - The Valar march to war against Melkor on behalf of the Elves.
* 4592 - The Valar lay siege to Utumno.
* Melian begins dwelling in Nan Elmoth and caring for the living things that have been awakened in Beleriand.
* 4599 - Melkor is captured and Utumno destroyed. Sauron escapes capture and remains in Angband, breeding Orcs and Trolls for Melkor.
* 4600 - Melkor is taken to Valinor in chains and sentenced to serve a term in the Halls of Mandos for three Ages.
* 4601 - The Valar decide to summon the Elves to dwell with them in Aman.
* 4602 - Oromë brings three ambassadors of the Elves to Aman: Ingwë of the Vanyar, Finwë of the Noldor, and Elwë of the Teleri
* 4604 - The three ambassadors return and work to convince the Elves to accept the summons of the Valar. They accumulate many followers.
* 4605 - Great Journey of the Elves: The Elves depart for Aman (not all answer the summon—see Sundering of the Elves)
* 4615 - The Elves reach the great river which would later be called Anduin.
* A group of Teleri under Lenwë (or Dan) abandon the March at Anduin and become the Nandor
* Fathers of the Dwarves and first Ents awakened by Eru; Elves discover the Ents and begin teaching them language.
* 4625 - The Vanyar and Noldor arrive in Beleriand.
* 4628 - The Teleri arrive in Beleriand after tarrying in the great forests of Eriador.
* 4630 - Elwë meets Melian and is entranced.
* 4632 - Ulmo is unwilling to wait until Elwë is found, and the Vanyar and Noldor are ferried across on the island of Tol Eressëa, while the Teleri stay behind, looking for their lord.
* 4633 - The Vanyar and Noldor settle in Tirion near Valimar
* 4640 - Ingwë and many of the Vanyar leave Tirion to dwell with Manwë in Valinor.
* 4642 - Yavanna gives the White Tree, Galathilion, to the Noldor.
* 4649 - Ulmo finally returns for the Teleri, but many stay behind because Elwë is not yet found, and become the Sindar. Another group remains behind at the request of Ossë, they become the Elves of the Falas under Círdan.
* 4651 - The majority of the Teleri are ferried across on Tol Eressëa, which is anchored in the bay of Eldamar. They take Elwë's brother, Olwë, as lord.
* 4652 - Elwë awakes from slumber and reunites with the Sindar. He becomes known as Thingol, settling in Doriath.
* Finwë marries Míriel
* 4661 - The Teleri of Tol Eressëa learn the art of shipbuilding, and ferry across the bay of Eldamar to Aman, where they found the city of Alqualondë. Tol Eressëa is abandoned.
* 4665 - The last Vanyar abandon Tirion and settle in Aman proper. The Noldor remain in Tirion under their lord, Finwë.
* 4679 - Birth of Fëanor and death of Míriel. Rúmil invents writing.
* Nogrod and Belegost founded by Dwarves
* 4685 - Finwë marries Indis; Findis born sometime around here.
* 4690 - Fingolfin born
* 4700 - Lúthien born
* c.4690-4730 - Irimë born
* The Elves of the Falas join with the Sindar in an alliance
* 4730 - Finarfin born
* 4750 - Dwarves of Nogrod and Belegost enter Beleriand, establishing trade. Fëanor develops the Tengwar.
* 4780 - Wedding of Finarfin and Eärwen
* 4850 - The Nandor, under Denethor, arrive in Beleriand, becoming known as the Laiquendi of Ossiriand.
* 4862 - Galadriel born
* 4900 - Melkor, freed from his sentence, begins corrupting some of the Noldor.
* 4950 - Fëanor completes the forging of the Silmarils.
* 4990 - Fëanor, deceived by Melkor, draws arms against his brother and is banished from Tirion: his father, Finwë, and many of the Noldor follow him in exile to Formenos.
* 4992 - Fëanor argues with Melkor at Formenos. Melkor hides from capture by the Valar and joins forces with Ungoliant.
* 4995 - Manwë tries to heal the feud of the Noldor, and summons Fëanor to a festival in Valimar. Melkor and Ungoliant destroy the Two Trees, kill Finwë and steal the Silmarils; Fëanor first names Melkor, Morgoth. Fëanor and his sons swear an oath to regain the Silmarils and the majority of the Noldor depart from Valinor; Noldor kill many Teleri and seize their ships in the First Kinslaying.
* 4996 - Prophecy of Mandos: the Noldor are banished from Valinor and face great doom; the Valar hide Valinor behind the Magic Isles and raise the Pelóri mountains.
* 4997 - Melkor returns to Angband, and tries to take Beleriand: First Battle of Beleriand is fought; Denethor of the Laiquendi slain and the Havens of the Falas are besieged. The Noldor arrive at Helcaraxë; Fëanor and his host betray the sons of Indis and sail across, then burn the ships. Return of the Noldor to Middle-earth. Morgoth's army attacks Fëanor. Dagor-nuin-Giliath ("the Battle under Stars") is fought. Fëanor is slain by Balrogs in sight of Angband.
* The Valar begin devising the Moon and Sun
* 5000 - The remainder of the Noldor arrives in Middle-earth; the Moon arises.
Years of the Sun in the First Age
From this time on years are of normal length. Events from Valinor during the Years of the Sun cannot be accurately dated. All entries are derived from Grey Annals (see references) unless otherwise noted. The dating begins anew at 1, although these years are still held to be part of the First Age.
* Year 1 - The Sun first sets sail, start of reckoning by 'Years of the Sun', Awakening of Men in Hildórien.
* 50 - Turgon and Finrod are told by Ulmo to establish a refuge
* 65 - Finrod builds the tower of Barad Nimras ("White Horn Tower") on a cape of the Falas between Brithombar and Eglarest.
* 75 - Dagor Aglareb: the Noldor, ruled by Fingolfin, start the Siege of Angband
* 75–c. 200 - Melkor is absent from Angband, after discovering Men. Persuaded by Melkor, Men stop worshipping Eru and turn to evil, but some revolt: the Atanatári. These travel to the West in search for the Valar, aided by Avari Elves and Dwarves. According to legend, Men now become mortal as the result of divine punishment.[1]
* c. 100 - Foundation of Nargothrond: Fingon's folk depart from Hithlum.
* 126 - Completion of Gondolin. Turgon's people begin the migration from Nevrast in secret.
* 265 - Glaurung ravages Beleriand, but is driven back to Angband.
* 305 - Bëor leads The First House of the Edain into Beleriand: Men discovered by Finrod
* 341 - Haldar and Haleth born
* 345 - Return of Aredhel and Maeglin to Gondolin; later, Eöl and Aredhel die.
* 389 - Birth of Hador, later Lord of Dor-lómin
* 443 - Birth of Beren Erchamion
* 445 - Birth of Rodnor, son of Orodreth, later called Gil-galad
* 455 - Melkor breaks the Siege of Angband in Dagor Bragollach, ("Battle of Sudden Flame"); kills Fingolfin in duel; Húrin and Huor are brought to Gondolin by Thorondor
* 456 - Húrin and Huor return out of Gondolin to Dor-lómin.
* 457 - Capture of Finrod's fortress of Minas Tirith by the forces of Sauron. Its warden, Orodreth, flees for Nargothrond. Minas Tirith is renamed Tol-in-Gaurhoth, "Isle of Werewolves".
* 461 - Barahir and companions are killed; Beren becomes an out-law.
* 462 - Beren departs for Doriath
* 463 - Birth of Túrin Turambar in Dor-lómin. Beren first comes upon Lúthien.
* 465 - Celegorm and Curufin are exiled from Nargothrond and journey to Himring.
* 468 - Finrod and Beren are imprisoned in Tol-in-Gaurhoth. Finrod is slain by a werewolf, but Beren is rescued by Lúthien.
* 469 - Beren and Lúthien achieve the Quest of the Silmaril. Beren dies, and Lúthien abandons life: Lúthien pleads with Mandos and Beren and Lúthien are restored to life; Beren and Lúthien take up bodies again in Ossiriand on the isle of Tol Galen.
* 471 - Nirnaeth Arnoediad, "The Battle of Unnumbered Tears"; Huor is slain in the Fens of Serech, Húrin is captured by Morgoth. Birth of Tuor, son of Huor. Fingon slain
* 472 - Siege and capture of the Havens of the Falas: Brithombar and Eglarest.
* c. 473 - Birth of Nienor and death of Rían.
* 475 - Birth of Dior Eluchíl on Tol Galen
* 494 - Gurthang is reforged for Túrin, who becomes known as the Black Sword of Nargothrond.
* 495 - Sack of Nargothrond. The coming of Tuor to Gondolin.
* 497 - Dior weds Nimloth.
* 498 - Slaying of Glaurung, and deaths of Túrin Turambar and Nienor Níniel in Brethil
* 500 - Birth of Eluréd and Elurín, twin sons of Dior.
* 501 - Húrin released from captivity. Travels to Nargothrond and takes the treasure from there to Thingol.
* 502 - Forging of the Nauglamír and quarrel of Thingol and the Dwarves. Marriage of Tuor and Idril.
* c. 502 - Deaths of Morwen and Húrin.
* 503 - Thingol is slain and Doriath sacked by Dwarves of Belegost and Nogrod; Beren, Laiquendi, and Ents destroy the Dwarves; Melian returns to Valinor in grief; Lúthien wears the Silmaril; Birth of Eärendil in spring. Birth of Elwing. Final deaths of Beren and Lúthien; Dior receives the Silmaril in autumn.
* 504 - Dior travels to Doriath and restores it.
* 505 - Sons of Fëanor learn of Silmaril in Doriath. Maedhros restrains his brothers, but they send a demand for the Silmaril to Dior, who ignores it.
* 506 - Sons of Fëanor attack Doriath in Winter at Celegorm's urging.
* 507 - Doriath is destroyed in the Second Kinslaying; Dior and Nimloth killed; Celegorm's servants send Eluréd and Elurín to die in the forest, but Maedhros searches for them with no avail. Celegorm, Curufin, and Caranthir are all slain. Elwing escapes for the Mouths of Sirion with the Silmaril, and Maeglin captured by Melkor's spies.
* 510 - Gondolin is betrayed by Maeglin and sacked; Glorfindel slays a Balrog in the Echoriath, Ecthelion slays Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs, both of them killed as well. Death of Turgon.
* 511 - Tuor and Idril bring Eärendil and refugees of Gondolin to the Mouths of Sirion which prospers as 'New Havens'.
* 512 - The remaining Sons of Fëanor learn of the New Havens and the Silmaril there, but Maedhros wishes no more bloodshed and forswears his oath.
* 524 - Eärendil begins his great voyages
* 525 - Eärendil marries Elwing. Tuor feels 'Unquiet of Ulmo' and sails into the West in the ship Eärrámë with Idril.
* 527 - The Sons of Fëanor are tormented by their unfulfilled oath and make plans to recover the Silmaril.
* 532 - Elrond and Elros are born to Eärendil and Elwing.
* 538 - Third Kinslaying: while Eärendil is away the remaining Sons of Fëanor attack the people of the Mouths of Sirion trying to claim the Silmaril; Amrod is slain; Elwing casts herself in the sea but is brought to Eärendil by Ulmo; Elrond and Elros are fostered by Maglor and/or Maedhros.
* 542 - Eärendil arrives in Valinor.
* 545 - The War of Wrath begins
* 587 - The War of Wrath ends; Morgoth is defeated; the remaining two Silmarils are stolen by Maedhros and Maglor, but are lost in the earth and in the sea; most of Beleriand is sunk; the Sea of Helcar is drained through the Great Gulf; the plateaus of Mordor, Khand, and Rhûn rise from the former seabed.
* 590 - Morgoth is cast into the Void; the Elves are summoned to Valinor and settle on Tol Eressëa; Galadriel refuses the summons and is still banned; a small part of the Noldor remain in Lindon; Thranduil and other Sindar depart east and establish realms.
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And a lovely article that I found for Iri's characters (since she is getting a child along):
"What Tolkien said..." :
It is about Elven marriages and conjugal relationships, pregnancy and adolescence regarding elves - taken from L.A.C.E., an essay written on these matters by Tolkien.
"Why? Because I'm afraid and he gives me courage."
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